Permatricity Info
Plan for New MONEY System Site Map http://permatricity.com/Permatricity_Site_Map.html
July 14, 2009
To Clubfreedom Admin.
Extract from: http://www.permatricity.info/Money_Solution.html
When Ronald Litherland was starting Clubfreedom in 2006 my upline spread my CF Membership positions horizontally and diaganally. Michael Faust replaced Ron and clearly stated that salespeople should have one Membership with all of their new Memberships positioned vertically underneath. This early mix-up has caused all of my downline to be dormant for 2 years. My Credit Cards and Debit Card show that I purchased 63 CF Memberships so my downline should be 62, not 59. I do not know how 3 Memberships got lost. To start my marketing in the UK I want to work from my Debit Card and Credit Card records and change all 63 names to Permatricity 1, Permatricity 2, etc....... to Permaticity 63 - so that there is a chronological order. Then I want to sell all 63 CF Memberships to UK Salespeople by offering interest-free long term credit.
As Permatricity Limited will own all 63 CF Memberships, will Clubfreedom then transfer the CF Memberships to the UK individual sales people when Permatricity Limited submits the transfer information?
Some UK sales people will fail to sell the CF Memberships nor go on CF wholesale holidays, so those UK sales people will cease paying for their long term credit purchase. I want those people to settle their credit debt by transferring their unwanted CF Membership back to Permatricity Limited so that CF Membership can be transferred on to another salesperson. In this way I intend to make certain that every one of those 63 CF Memberships remains active to collect the US$17,500 Rewards.
Will Clubfreedom continue to record the transfers at least until each US$17,500 Reward is paid?
I will provide the long term credit and generate the new business provided Clubfreedom will record the transfers. Is that OK? John Robertson
Total downline shown: 59
Just by telling your friends of this site you are acting to reverse climate change.
Your friend is only outlaying US$25 for a possible US$17,500!
I do not think I am risking anything. By making it attractive for Friends of Friends to join I will also soon collect a reward of US$17,500!
Look in this column, I have a Downline of 59 and will soon collect.You can collect a US$17,500 Reward too!
Cheers
John Robertson
15/07/2009 02:08 From Clubfreedom
Hi John:
I hope this finds you well.
First let me explain that Mr. Faust did not replace Mr. Litherland. Mr. Faust was employed as our Marketing Manager. He did not replace anyone and he is no longer with Clubfreedom.
Secondly, there are several theories as to how to build your downline. Everyone has their own theory. Success comes with building a team under you who will also build a team.
Thirdly, I do not understand why you have waited almost three years to look at your downline and question the number of memberships you paid for. Investigating this matter at this late date would be extremely difficult and time consuming. We would certainly need more detailed information.
Additionally, we do not change user names under any circumstances. Whatever your user names are currently, they will remain the user names.
You may have the names changed on the memberships. However, you must follow the Membership Name Change policy located in your members area. All of the required documentation must be provided. We cannot transfer the memberships to a business entity due to the new KYC requirements for EGP. Legally each membership must be in the name of a person who can provide all of the necessary KYC documents to prove their identity.
I would like to also mention that once you transfer a membership to another person (one of your sales people), you will not be able to request the transfer back to you. Only the current owner of the account can request the membership name change. So, if you transfer one of your memberships to Joe Smith, only Joe Smith can transfer the membership back to you. He will be required to provide photo identification and proof of ownership.
We do not approve nor condone any kind of revolving credit or long term credit situation in selling memberships. Please be advised that Clubfreedom will not get involved in any disputes between you and any other members. Whatever terms you agree to with the buyers of your accounts is between you and them. Clubfreedom will not mediate nor take any action against anyone involved. And, we will not transfer the accounts back to you upon default of the buyer. Only the person whose name is currently listed as the owner can transfer the ownership.
Please let me know if you have further questions.
Warm regards,
Support
15/07/2009 01:26 Sent to Clubfreedom
Hi Support
First, As far as I am concerned I communicated with Ronald
Litherland and there was good communication and co-operation.
Several months later I communicated with Michael Faust and they are
the only two CF names I knew. I have since read of John Bullus. All
three have left Clubfreedom.
My immediate upline is Faye McGarry and we worked well together until
she reported that Litherland had manipulated the Boards. I reported
Faye's complaint to Faust and nothing was resolved.
I tried to sort things out from here in the UK. Faye moved to New
Zealand and will now have nothing at all to do with Clubfreedom.
I went to Faye's Upline, Bob Fordham, and he too will do nothing
further with Clubfreedom.
Bob reported that likewise Judy and Ian Miller, Bob's upline, will not
continue with Clubfreedom. I am 'The Last Man Standing'. Put another
way, I am an orphan. In writing to you, a person with no name and no
known position, I may be writing to the CEO or to a person with no
authority. As far as I am concerned you have replaced Michael and he
replaced Ronald.
So how are you? Well, I hope.
It may be wise for you to remain anonymous because my conclusion from
the information available to me is
that you are running a criminal pyramid scheme.
Secondly, When it comes to building a downline, Faye worked very
hard with me to do that. Libby joined Faye and me. An email from
Libby on 23/6/2009, below, has caused me to conclude that CF is a
pyramid.
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Good morning John
I can understand how
you feel after investing so much of your money into CF unfortunately I
and many others have also invested and lost monies with CF.
There is no interest
here in Australia or should I say very little interest in the programm
it has left a bad taste in ones mouth.
The
only way one can
get the Boards moving again Is as you say with fresh blood the boards
require each person as you know to introduce 2 others interested in
travel and cash. That is a hard slog especially here in Aus.
John I was in a
situation at the beginning whereby I had a large team however the
splitting of the boards saw me isolated from my group left on a
board full of people I did not know, who chose not to do anything with
their positions, that left me having to work the boards alone by
bringing more people in to allow me to follow my sponsor on the main
board. Prior to that there were several members of whom I introduced
ahead of me on the main boards somewhere I had lost them as they cycled
before me needless to say they all collected their $6,000 (was good to
see at least some of my team members got paid) because I had still not
made it onto the main board the computer then looked for MY sponsors
board, which meant they would not come back to my Board until they
cycled again. It was their good fortune falling on a board that had
postive motivated members hence the feeder boards splitting very
quickly first time round for them.
We had a good system
going with the way placements were done this to me was working the
boards smartly to our own advantage using the existing members to
benefit our own positions by means of jumping over them having
qualified with two members this gave us the advantage of being able to
move ahead and as you can see the positioning of the main Boards each
one of our members are qualified with 2 we go back to those 2 and help
push them through the feeder onto the main board to qualify your
position all done with careful planning very time consuming but at the
time worth it.
Unfortunately I did
not have the time since I had my own business to attend to I worked
with Thailand group where we saw many people cycle using the same
method as yours, where we grouped 4 people to a team so when the
positions were paid out the money was divided between the four each
receiving $1500usd instead of the $6000 this kept everyone happy and
more got paid at least something, however when the boards suddenly and
I mean suddenly stop and NO-ONE puts a single person in you begin to
wander what has happened as in our cases. It was as if someone just
turned off the switch and closed the door overnight. Believe me John
this is exactly what happened.
If each person
introduced 2 people we would have had a thriving business up to a
point it really did rely on numbers.
I thank you for your
generous offer John but will have to decline It I cant even mention CF
life deals some cruel blows I have received abusive calls threats to my
life belittled In public place and WHY??? Because I had a system that
worked and saw people get paid BUT not enough to continue to finish
getting the rest of them through it was those that had not cycled that
I received all kinds of threats. You know what John at least I got
them all to the main boards some sitting at the top half ready to be
paid but nothing will happen if no one does anything I have told them
all if they want to get paid they can introduce some people to get the
boards moving again BUT that is hard work for them they rely on me and
one other person to do all that. We were fortunate to get 7 positions
cycled paying 28 people $1500usd each while other people and their
boards were dead as a door post.
The threats and
pressure became too much for us hence to say my partner had a heart
attack from the stress of all the Abuse while I had yet another
breakdown.
My health deteriorated
to an all time low I am now under the heart failure team.
I have come across
another business which occupies a lot of my time but I love it my
health has picked up I have a new Lease of life and most importantly
the products are what every living being needs- no doubt if you would
like to look at it just click on my banner at the bottom of this page.
If what you see piques your Interest then Lets talk I am
definitely focused on this on one I can also help you with it should
you decide to join me I would love to work with you again.....but not
CF sorry.
I have to run now John
hope top hear from you soon.
Health and Happiness
Liberty D`edwards
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On May 19, 2009, Bob Fordham emailed
On May 24, 2009, Bob Fordham emailed
On July 9, 2009 my Russian friend emailed:
'I can not believe you still think about clubfreedom. just think clearly. how long ago did you pay
them money? how much time has passed since that date? have you received anything from them? have
you received at least your own money you invested not talking about profit? after all that how
can you still believe them? yes they arrange new features to their service but after it is
still the same. I don't have to be a genius nor computer expert to realize there is something
wrong with CF.
i am not going to be involved in it. no way. please forgive me but don't ask me to deal with them.
maybe it is my caution maybe it is my intuition but I feel they are thieves. please unsubscribe and
stop believing their false emails.
I have now devised a way to build a UK downline without it being an illegal pyramid but you have written that
We cannot transfer the memberships to a business entity due to the new KYC requirements for EGP.We do not approve nor condone any kind of revolving credit or long term credit situation in selling memberships.
but you have also written that
Whatever terms you agree to with the buyers of your accounts is between you and them.
So it is clear that I can personally legally sell my 63 Memberships on long term credit.I have no dispute with any of my upline nor any of my downline.
but if I sell new Memberships from
http://clubfreedom.biz/robertson
in your prescribed way of each person selling 2 more Memberships, I will knowingly
be committing a criminal offence.
Thirdly, You wrote that you do not understand why I waited 3 years to look at my downline and I
explain that only when I set out to claim against my UK Credit Card Providers did I see that I had paid
for 63 CF Memberships when i only had a 59 downline plus my first 'robertson' CF Membership (60 total).
I agree with you that this is not an important issue and probably it balances the great deal of work
that Faye, Libby and Others did for me.
To recover my losses from my Debit Card Purchases I will first of all provide this information to you and also to: Fair Trading services
delivered by the Department of Employment, Economic Development and Innovation.
To recover my losses from the 2 Credit Card Providers I will continue with my claims under the applicable UK Act.
The Twist.
In 2006, when I assume John Bullus was CEO , the Clubfreedom proposal looked good to me; since then CF has unilaterally changed the terms and Boards were manipulated.
I still like the original proposal and if you want to now operate a legal business that is not a pyramid you could adopt the business plan I have just worked out for the UK. It is a shame that Clubfreedom leaves people like Libby and her partner in its wake.
I show you my proposed business plan at http://permatricity.com/permatricity.html
If you agree to merge Clubfreedom with Permatricity Limited you will put substance into your operation in the form of Renewable Energy, Micro-banking, Real Estate Protection and Tourism. I would enjoy doing that with you. I am not greedy, I want to see enterprises work and prosper. I see that Clubfreedom must eventually collapse if you carry on with your present 'grasshopper marketing.'
You have first option on a merger with Permatricity Limited. I am about to go on holiday with my children and will return to the computer on Saturday July 25 2009 to see if you are interested..
Cheers
John Robertson
Hi Support
First, As far as I am concerned I communicated with Ronald Litherland and there
was good communication and co-operation.
Several months later I communicated with Michael Faust and they are the
only two CF names I knew. I have since read of John
Bullus. All three have left Clubfreedom.
My immediate upline is Faye McGarry and we worked well together until she
reported that Litherland had manipulated the Boards. I reported
Faye's complaint to Faust and nothing was resolved.
I tried to sort things out from here in the
I went to Faye's Upline, Bob Fordham, and he too will do nothing further with
Clubfreedom.
Bob reported that likewise Judy and Ian Miller, Bob's upline, will not continue
with Clubfreedom. I am 'The Last Man Standing'. Put another
way, I am an orphan. In writing to you, a person with no name and
no known position, I may be writing to the CEO or to a person with no authority.
As far as I am concerned you have replaced Michael and he replaced Ronald.
So how are you? Well, I hope.
It may be wise for you to remain anonymous because my conclusion from the
information available to me is that you are running a criminal pyramid scheme.
Secondly, When it comes to building a downline, Faye worked very hard with me
to do that. Libby joined Faye and me. An email from Libby on
Good morning John
I can understand how you feel after investing so much of your money into CF
unfortunately I and many others have also invested and lost monies with CF.
There is no interest here in Australia or should I say very little interest in
the program it has left a bad taste in ones mouth.
The only way one can get the Boards moving again Is as you say with fresh blood
the boards require each person as you know to introduce 2 others interested in
travel and cash. That is a hard slog especially here in Aus.
John I was in a situation at the beginning whereby I had a large team however
the splitting of the boards saw me isolated from my group left on a board full
of people I did not know, who chose not to do anything with their positions,
that left me having to work the boards alone by bringing more people in to
allow me to follow my sponsor on the main board. Prior to that there were
several members of whom I introduced ahead of me on the main boards somewhere I
had lost them as they cycled before me needless to say they all collected their
$6,000 (was good to see at least some of my team members got paid) because I
had still not made it onto the main board the computer then looked for MY
sponsors board, which meant they would not come back to my Board until they
cycled again. It was their good fortune falling on a board that had
postive motivated members hence the feeder boards splitting very quickly first
time round for them.
We had a good system going with the way placements were done this to me was
working the boards smartly to our own advantage using the existing members to
benefit our own positions by means of jumping over them having qualified with
two members this gave us the advantage of being able to move ahead and as you
can see the positioning of the main Boards each one of our members are
qualified with 2 we go back to those 2 and help push them through the feeder
onto the main board to qualify your position all done with careful planning
very time consuming but at the time worth it.
Unfortunately I did not have the time since I had my own business to attend to
I worked with Thailand group where we saw many people cycle using the same
method as yours, where we grouped 4 people to a team so when the positions were
paid out the money was divided between the four each recieving $1500usd instead
of the $6000 this kept everyone happy and more got paid at least something,
however when the boards suddenly and I mean suddenly stop and NO-ONE puts a
single person in you begin to wonder what has happened as in our cases.
It was as if someone just turned off the switch and closed the door
overnight. Believe me John this is exactly what happened.
If each person introduced 2 people we would have had a thriving business up to
a point it really did rely on numbers.
I thank you for your generous offer John but will have to decline It I cant
even mention CF, life deals some cruel blows I have received abusive calls
threats to my life belittled In public place and WHY??? Because I had a system
that worked and saw people get paid BUT not enough to continue to finish
getting the rest of them through it was those that had not cycled that I
received all kinds of threats. You know what John at least I got them all
to the main boards some sitting at the top half ready to be paid but nothing
will happen if no one does anything I have told them all if they want to get
paid they can introduce some people to get the boards moving again BUT that is
hard work for them they rely on me and one other person to do all that. We were
fortunate to get 7 positions cycled paying 28 people $1500usd each while other
people and their boards were dead as a door post.
The threats and pressure became too much for us hence to say my partner had a
heart attack from the stress of all the Abuse while I had yet another
breakdown.
My health deteriorated to an all time low I am now under the heart failure
team.
I have come across another business which occupies a lot of my time but I love
it my health has picked up I have a new Lease of life and most importantly the
products are what every living being needs- no doubt if you would like to look
at it just click on my banner at the bottom of this page. If what you see
piques your Interest then Lets talk I am definitely focused on this on one I
can also help you with it should you decide to join me I would love to work
with you again.....but not CF sorry.
I have to run now John hope top hear from you soon.
? Health and Happiness
Liberty D`edwards
On May 19, 2009, Bob Fordham emailed
Hi John,
Yes its a shame they have extracted millions from people who have never
realised CF & HC have a flawed compo plan designed for the cream at the top
to get the rewards with little hope of later joiners recouping their funds.
Ian, Judy & I have been with Leisure & Wealth For many months, with
much more crediblity.(ex CF CEO- John Bullus, who walked out on RL & MF
after disagreements and realisation of unscrupulous activities. He's a personal
friend of Ian Miller, our upline in CF, I have met him, and hes genuinely
motivated to help CF victims recoup their money in a better L& Wealth
program.
I will send you my join info shortly , as their is a whole lot of restructuring
going on, no-one can join at the moment, but you can look around here:
http://leisurenwealth.com/login.php
My ID # freedom when and if you decide to join
Cheers
Bob
On May 24, 2009, Bob Fordham emailed
Hi John,
CF will continue, it's not insolvent, it's a waste of time. Too much greed at
the top.
My Indian leader , Madhu, who I introduced to CF, has circled more than 7 times
I know of! .
Me once 2 years ago! Figure that 1 out???????? He has been poisoned/greeded up
by RL & MF and the boards manipulated!!
On
'I can not believe you still think about clubfreedom. just think clearly. how
long ago did you pay them money? how much time has passed since
that date? have you received anything from them? have you
received at least your own money you invested not talking about profit? after
all that how can you still believe them? yes they
arrange new features to their service but after it
is still the same. I don't have to be a genius nor
computer expert to realize there is something wrong with CF.
i am not going to be involved in it. no way. please forgive
me but don't ask me to deal with them. maybe it is my caution maybe it is my
intuition but I feel they are thieves. please unsubscribe and stop believing
their false emails.
--------------
I have now devised a way to build a
We cannot transfer the memberships to a business entity due
to the new KYC requirements for EGP.
We do not approve nor condone any kind of revolving credit
or long term credit situation in selling memberships.
but you have also written that
Whatever terms you agree to with the buyers of your accounts
is between you and them.
So it is clear that I can personally legally sell my 63 Memberships on long
term credit.
but if I sell new Memberships from
http://clubfreedom.biz/robertson
in your prescribed way of each person selling 2 more Memberships, I will
knowingly be committing a criminal offence.
Thirdly, You wrote that you do not understand why I waited 3 years to look at
my downline and I explain that only when I set out to claim against my UK
Credit Card Providers did I see that I had paid for 63 CF Memberships when i
only had a 59 downline plus my first 'robertson' CF Membership (60 total). I
agree with you that this is not an important issue and probably it balances the
great deal of work that Faye, Libby and Others did for me.
I have no dispute with any of my upline nor any of my downline.
To recover my losses from my Debit Card Purchases I will first of all provide
this information to you and also to: Fair Trading services delivered by the
Department of Employment, Economic Development and Innovation.
To recover my losses from the 2 Credit Card Providers I will continue with my
claims under the applicable UK Act.
The Twist.
In 2006, when I assume John Bullus was CEO , the Clubfreedom proposal
looked good to me; since then CF has unilaterally changed the terms and Boards
were manipulated.
I still like the original proposal and if You want to now operate a legal
business that is not a pyramid You could adopt the business plan I have just
worked out for the
I show you my proposed business plan at http://permatricity.com/permatricity.html
If You agree to merge Clubfreedom with Permatricity Limited You will put
substance into your operation in the form of Renewable Energy,
Micro-banking, Real Estate Protection and Tourism. I would enjoy
doing that with you. I am not greedy, I want to see enterprises work and
prosper. I see that Clubfreedom must eventually collapse if you carry on
with your present 'grasshopper marketing.'
You have first option on a merger with Permatricity Limited. I am about
to go on holiday with my children and will return to the computer on
Cheers
John Robertson
